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	<title>Comments on: The Secret History of That Which Is Secret&#8230;</title>
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		<title>By: Diane O'Donovan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diane O'Donovan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Aug 2011 07:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of heretics and trade secrets - has anyone suggested a manichaean influence? Dyes and manuscript pigments had a close connection, and I understand that in some cases, the dyers sold patches of coloured cloths that were used in scriptoria.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of heretics and trade secrets &#8211; has anyone suggested a manichaean influence? Dyes and manuscript pigments had a close connection, and I understand that in some cases, the dyers sold patches of coloured cloths that were used in scriptoria.</p>
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		<title>By: nickpelling</title>
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		<dc:creator>nickpelling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 11:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps it doesn&#039;t interest you to see how modern conspiratorial penny-dreadfuls (such as The Da Vinci Code) grow their novelistic seeds in the rich loam of sixteenth century anti-Jesuit propaganda. Buried treasure, secret necromantic technology, powerful religious conspiracies, institutionalised sexual abuse - these themes were commonplaces 400 years ago (if you were trying to defame the Society of Jesus). So... how far have novels really come?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps it doesn&#8217;t interest you to see how modern conspiratorial penny-dreadfuls (such as The Da Vinci Code) grow their novelistic seeds in the rich loam of sixteenth century anti-Jesuit propaganda. Buried treasure, secret necromantic technology, powerful religious conspiracies, institutionalised sexual abuse &#8211; these themes were commonplaces 400 years ago (if you were trying to defame the Society of Jesus). So&#8230; how far have novels really come?</p>
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		<title>By: Heard Screams from Hell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heard Screams from Hell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 11:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But does it really matter to people like Dan Brown and Hollywood producers whether these so-called &quot;secrets&quot; have any basis in fact or not? What they care about is how much money they can take in from the gullible public.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But does it really matter to people like Dan Brown and Hollywood producers whether these so-called &#8220;secrets&#8221; have any basis in fact or not? What they care about is how much money they can take in from the gullible public.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 15:30:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very good, Nick!  

Your reference to Roger Bacon is interesting.  I thought of his &quot;Epistola, &quot;De Secretis Operibus Artis et Naturae et de Nullitate Magiae.&quot; The contents would indeed have sounded like magic at the time, but most of what he predicts now exists.  He discusses what we now call &quot;science&quot; can do, and here &quot;secret&quot; means &quot;hidden,&quot; perhaps just &quot;not currently known.&quot;  He indeed says loud and clear that the &quot;magic&quot; of his time is worthless.  

Your idea that the &quot;secrets&quot; of old times were often trade secrets is valid, as is the idea that accusations of secret conspiracies was - and still is - disinformation.  

Modern science was in its infancy in those days, and might have been regarded as a trade secret, something to be mastered by experience and guarded like a trade secret.  The question is not entirely extinct - witness disputes over what can and cannot be patented!

Dennis</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good, Nick!  </p>
<p>Your reference to Roger Bacon is interesting.  I thought of his &#8220;Epistola, &#8220;De Secretis Operibus Artis et Naturae et de Nullitate Magiae.&#8221; The contents would indeed have sounded like magic at the time, but most of what he predicts now exists.  He discusses what we now call &#8220;science&#8221; can do, and here &#8220;secret&#8221; means &#8220;hidden,&#8221; perhaps just &#8220;not currently known.&#8221;  He indeed says loud and clear that the &#8220;magic&#8221; of his time is worthless.  </p>
<p>Your idea that the &#8220;secrets&#8221; of old times were often trade secrets is valid, as is the idea that accusations of secret conspiracies was &#8211; and still is &#8211; disinformation.  </p>
<p>Modern science was in its infancy in those days, and might have been regarded as a trade secret, something to be mastered by experience and guarded like a trade secret.  The question is not entirely extinct &#8211; witness disputes over what can and cannot be patented!</p>
<p>Dennis</p>
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