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		<title>By: Rene Zandbergen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rene Zandbergen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 15:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Theodore Petersen did. I recorded them on a page, which I just rediscovered
at my old web site. This is the normal page for Quire 19:
http://www.voynich.nu/q19/index.html
This is the alternative one, with the matches:
http://www.voynich.nu/q/q19.html

I can&#039;t quite remember why it ended up like this... :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Theodore Petersen did. I recorded them on a page, which I just rediscovered<br />
at my old web site. This is the normal page for Quire 19:<br />
<a href="http://www.voynich.nu/q19/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.voynich.nu/q19/index.html</a><br />
This is the alternative one, with the matches:<br />
<a href="http://www.voynich.nu/q/q19.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.voynich.nu/q/q19.html</a></p>
<p>I can&#8217;t quite remember why it ended up like this&#8230; <img src='http://www.ciphermysteries.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: nickpelling</title>
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		<dc:creator>nickpelling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 14:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Rene,

Thanks very much for adding your notes on Dr Monnich&#039;s article here: as a general rule, the pharma pages seem to have received the least amount of critical attention over the years, so it is at least a good nudge in our general direction to take a fresh look at them. Can you recall anyone making a concerted attempt to match up pharma pictures with the herbal pictures? While there are a handful of strikingly positive matches to be found, my own impression was that these were in the minority.

Cheers, ...Nick Pelling...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Rene,</p>
<p>Thanks very much for adding your notes on Dr Monnich&#8217;s article here: as a general rule, the pharma pages seem to have received the least amount of critical attention over the years, so it is at least a good nudge in our general direction to take a fresh look at them. Can you recall anyone making a concerted attempt to match up pharma pictures with the herbal pictures? While there are a handful of strikingly positive matches to be found, my own impression was that these were in the minority.</p>
<p>Cheers, &#8230;Nick Pelling&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rene Zandbergen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rene Zandbergen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 11:10:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Today, I received a copy of the article which Dr. Monnich had kindly sent
me. I agree with Philip&#039;s overall assessment. A few observations from
Dr.Moennich I do find worth highlighting.

Based on the overall consistent and elaborate construction of the MS, he
is not much in favour of the hoax theory.
He writes that more analysis of the plant illustrations (style) is 
warranted. He considers them as not drawn from nature. He rejects the
identification of the Sunflower and Pepper. He finds the plant 
drawings more reminiscent of some of the older herbal MSS kept in
UK libraries, although a clear correspondence with the various pseudo-
Apuleius MSS cannot be found. He notes that the root systems in the 
Voynich MS appear quite consistent with  those MSS.
He does not agree with the classification by Toresella as an alchemical
herbal, since there are far too few cases of faces and animals hidden
in the root systems.

He agrees that the phameceutical jars really do look like early 
microscopes, but also that this is chronologically very difficult.
He sees pharmaceutical jars.

He also finds it significant, that many whole plants are found back 
in the pharma section, occasionally repeated down to some detail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today, I received a copy of the article which Dr. Monnich had kindly sent<br />
me. I agree with Philip&#8217;s overall assessment. A few observations from<br />
Dr.Moennich I do find worth highlighting.</p>
<p>Based on the overall consistent and elaborate construction of the MS, he<br />
is not much in favour of the hoax theory.<br />
He writes that more analysis of the plant illustrations (style) is<br />
warranted. He considers them as not drawn from nature. He rejects the<br />
identification of the Sunflower and Pepper. He finds the plant<br />
drawings more reminiscent of some of the older herbal MSS kept in<br />
UK libraries, although a clear correspondence with the various pseudo-<br />
Apuleius MSS cannot be found. He notes that the root systems in the<br />
Voynich MS appear quite consistent with  those MSS.<br />
He does not agree with the classification by Toresella as an alchemical<br />
herbal, since there are far too few cases of faces and animals hidden<br />
in the root systems.</p>
<p>He agrees that the phameceutical jars really do look like early<br />
microscopes, but also that this is chronologically very difficult.<br />
He sees pharmaceutical jars.</p>
<p>He also finds it significant, that many whole plants are found back<br />
in the pharma section, occasionally repeated down to some detail.</p>
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		<title>By: nickpelling</title>
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		<dc:creator>nickpelling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 14:18:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Philip! :-)  It&#039;s just a shame there wasn&#039;t more to find. :-(

As the &lt;em&gt;Geschichte der Pharmazie&lt;/em&gt; article is from 2008, I&#039;d guess that the chances of there being anything else of great substance in his 2007 paper are fairly slim. Ah well - all the same, I hope you found time to enjoy the Wellcome Library&#039;s painting of John Dee exercising his allegedly necromantic mojo. :-)

Cheers, ....Nick Pelling....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Philip! <img src='http://www.ciphermysteries.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />   It&#8217;s just a shame there wasn&#8217;t more to find. <img src='http://www.ciphermysteries.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>As the <em>Geschichte der Pharmazie</em> article is from 2008, I&#8217;d guess that the chances of there being anything else of great substance in his 2007 paper are fairly slim. Ah well &#8211; all the same, I hope you found time to enjoy the Wellcome Library&#8217;s painting of John Dee exercising his allegedly necromantic mojo. <img src='http://www.ciphermysteries.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Cheers, &#8230;.Nick Pelling&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Philip Neal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Philip Neal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 13:34:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have just been to the Wellcome Library where I read the Geschichte der Pharmazie article. It is an up to date introduction to the Voynich MS with footnotes referencing all three of you, but it seemed to contain no new research. I couldn&#039;t locate the other item, but conference proceedings are always hard to track down in catalogues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have just been to the Wellcome Library where I read the Geschichte der Pharmazie article. It is an up to date introduction to the Voynich MS with footnotes referencing all three of you, but it seemed to contain no new research. I couldn&#8217;t locate the other item, but conference proceedings are always hard to track down in catalogues.</p>
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		<title>By: nickpelling</title>
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		<dc:creator>nickpelling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 09:37:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Rich,

Though I&#039;d be somewhat surprised if a pharmacy historian looking at the VMs&#039; pharma section ended up seeing microscopes :-) , it has to be a good thing that he was looking across to current Voynich research - let&#039;s hope René is able to get hold of his paper(s) and in due course lets us know what it says / they say.

Cheers, ....Nick Pelling....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Rich,</p>
<p>Though I&#8217;d be somewhat surprised if a pharmacy historian looking at the VMs&#8217; pharma section ended up seeing microscopes <img src='http://www.ciphermysteries.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  , it has to be a good thing that he was looking across to current Voynich research &#8211; let&#8217;s hope René is able to get hold of his paper(s) and in due course lets us know what it says / they say.</p>
<p>Cheers, &#8230;.Nick Pelling&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich SantaColoma</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich SantaColoma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 23:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr Mönnich interviewed me by email about my optical theories in August of &#039;07... I answered his questions, and also sent him a copy of my original (outdated by then) article.

I forgot about this until I read his name in your post. Of course I would be very interested in reading a summary if you can find a copy, and the time, to report back... Rich.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr Mönnich interviewed me by email about my optical theories in August of &#8217;07&#8230; I answered his questions, and also sent him a copy of my original (outdated by then) article.</p>
<p>I forgot about this until I read his name in your post. Of course I would be very interested in reading a summary if you can find a copy, and the time, to report back&#8230; Rich.</p>
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		<title>By: nickpelling</title>
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		<dc:creator>nickpelling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 17:33:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great - his email address &amp; phone number is on his home-page, so it shouldn&#039;t be hard to make contact. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great &#8211; his email address &#038; phone number is on his home-page, so it shouldn&#8217;t be hard to make contact. <img src='http://www.ciphermysteries.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Rene Zandbergen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rene Zandbergen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I would certainly be happy to read his papers. I will contact him.
Karlsruhe ist just round the corner from here, but that actually doesn&#039;t
play any role anymore nowadays, which I&#039;m old-fashioned enough to still
find fascinating.

René</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I would certainly be happy to read his papers. I will contact him.<br />
Karlsruhe ist just round the corner from here, but that actually doesn&#8217;t<br />
play any role anymore nowadays, which I&#8217;m old-fashioned enough to still<br />
find fascinating.</p>
<p>René</p>
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