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	<title>Comments on: Jody Maat&#8217;s &#8220;Old Dutch&#8221; Voynich theory&#8230;</title>
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		<title>By: Jody maat &#124; 2rfutr</title>
		<link>http://www.ciphermysteries.com/2009/06/03/jody-maats-old-dutch-voynich-theory/comment-page-1#comment-53537</link>
		<dc:creator>Jody maat &#124; 2rfutr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jul 2011 06:25:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Jody Maat&#8217;s &#8220;Old Dutch&#8221; Voynich theory&#8230; &#124; Cipher MysteriesJun 3, 2009 &#8230; Would we recognize the solution to the Voynich Manuscript even if it was right in front of us? Some people believe that it continues to &#8230; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Jody Maat&#8217;s &#8220;Old Dutch&#8221; Voynich theory&#8230; | Cipher MysteriesJun 3, 2009 &#8230; Would we recognize the solution to the Voynich Manuscript even if it was right in front of us? Some people believe that it continues to &#8230; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: nickpelling</title>
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		<dc:creator>nickpelling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi John,

I&#039;m sorry, but I&#039;m one of those people that suspect that most claimed etymologies for names are made up. And words are rarely much better! =:-o

Apologies if this isn&#039;t what you wanted to hear!

Cheers, ...Nick Pelling...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi John,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry, but I&#8217;m one of those people that suspect that most claimed etymologies for names are made up. And words are rarely much better! =:-o</p>
<p>Apologies if this isn&#8217;t what you wanted to hear!</p>
<p>Cheers, &#8230;Nick Pelling&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: john maats</title>
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		<dc:creator>john maats</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 22:45:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>any thoughts about the origin of maat in the dutch language please?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>any thoughts about the origin of maat in the dutch language please?</p>
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		<title>By: Jody Maat</title>
		<link>http://www.ciphermysteries.com/2009/06/03/jody-maats-old-dutch-voynich-theory/comment-page-1#comment-5732</link>
		<dc:creator>Jody Maat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 22:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The subtle genius of the Voynich Manuscript - and this is something that I’ve been pointing out for years - is that it was written in a cipher which had been constructed to resemble an unknown European language. What you are reading, then, is the covertext: the letters on the surface, while the actual meaning swims just beneath.

Why is the covertext not in a book available ?

Just beneath I am looking as wellll. (only works if the covertext is available I think)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The subtle genius of the Voynich Manuscript &#8211; and this is something that I’ve been pointing out for years &#8211; is that it was written in a cipher which had been constructed to resemble an unknown European language. What you are reading, then, is the covertext: the letters on the surface, while the actual meaning swims just beneath.</p>
<p>Why is the covertext not in a book available ?</p>
<p>Just beneath I am looking as wellll. (only works if the covertext is available I think)</p>
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		<title>By: Jody Maat</title>
		<link>http://www.ciphermysteries.com/2009/06/03/jody-maats-old-dutch-voynich-theory/comment-page-1#comment-5731</link>
		<dc:creator>Jody Maat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 22:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All the same, just as with Brumbaugh in the 1970s, there are places where Jody’s reading does seem briefly to make sense, as if the pages were lit by a flickering candle: but having myself tried to duplicate his reading on other pages, this only seems to happen once or twice per page - not statistically significant. 

That is because you do not have the alphabet, Voynich.nl is not finished yet and as you saw I made mistakes building it.  No problem, Nick was the one telling me I had to prove no-thing.....which I will though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All the same, just as with Brumbaugh in the 1970s, there are places where Jody’s reading does seem briefly to make sense, as if the pages were lit by a flickering candle: but having myself tried to duplicate his reading on other pages, this only seems to happen once or twice per page &#8211; not statistically significant. </p>
<p>That is because you do not have the alphabet, Voynich.nl is not finished yet and as you saw I made mistakes building it.  No problem, Nick was the one telling me I had to prove no-thing&#8230;..which I will though.</p>
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		<title>By: Jody Maat</title>
		<link>http://www.ciphermysteries.com/2009/06/03/jody-maats-old-dutch-voynich-theory/comment-page-1#comment-5722</link>
		<dc:creator>Jody Maat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 17:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can &quot;light&quot; your pages in due time.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can &#8220;light&#8221; your pages in due time&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Jody Maat</title>
		<link>http://www.ciphermysteries.com/2009/06/03/jody-maats-old-dutch-voynich-theory/comment-page-1#comment-5721</link>
		<dc:creator>Jody Maat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 17:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am NOT a she.</description>
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		<title>By: Jody Maat</title>
		<link>http://www.ciphermysteries.com/2009/06/03/jody-maats-old-dutch-voynich-theory/comment-page-1#comment-5720</link>
		<dc:creator>Jody Maat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 17:07:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The sabat note is not a librarian note (end book)</description>
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		<title>By: Jody Maat</title>
		<link>http://www.ciphermysteries.com/2009/06/03/jody-maats-old-dutch-voynich-theory/comment-page-1#comment-5719</link>
		<dc:creator>Jody Maat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 16:55:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks nick,
Won&quot;t &quot;block&quot; you again, just building, takes time.

Somethings work, somethings people do not understand, takes time.

I have time mund is not like the mand now.

I have time, first priority is to prove you can read it.

&quot;Problems&quot; are for later.

Rene is right,
I have to prove, but..... people decide..not the ones building a book around a theorie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks nick,<br />
Won&#8221;t &#8220;block&#8221; you again, just building, takes time.</p>
<p>Somethings work, somethings people do not understand, takes time.</p>
<p>I have time mund is not like the mand now.</p>
<p>I have time, first priority is to prove you can read it.</p>
<p>&#8220;Problems&#8221; are for later.</p>
<p>Rene is right,<br />
I have to prove, but&#8230;.. people decide..not the ones building a book around a theorie.</p>
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		<title>By: nickpelling</title>
		<link>http://www.ciphermysteries.com/2009/06/03/jody-maats-old-dutch-voynich-theory/comment-page-1#comment-5594</link>
		<dc:creator>nickpelling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 07:50:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Elmar,

I&#039;ve had quite a dialogue with Jody over the past month or so, mainly via comments left on this site (and a few on yours). I first found his museumofhoaxes comment not long after he left it (back in 2006, as I recall), so have been tracking his &quot;Maat theory&quot; for some time. No, it&#039;s not a practical joke: but even the smartest of Voynich theorists have tended to get one or more aspects of the palaeography &amp; codicology wrong (&lt;strong&gt;just think of Brumbaugh and the f49v number column&lt;/strong&gt;), so I&#039;m not &lt;em&gt;hugely&lt;/em&gt; surprised.

Cheers, ....Nick Pelling....

PS: have I convinced you yet that it&#039;s a cipher designed to resemble a non-existent archaic language? :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Elmar,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve had quite a dialogue with Jody over the past month or so, mainly via comments left on this site (and a few on yours). I first found his museumofhoaxes comment not long after he left it (back in 2006, as I recall), so have been tracking his &#8220;Maat theory&#8221; for some time. No, it&#8217;s not a practical joke: but even the smartest of Voynich theorists have tended to get one or more aspects of the palaeography &amp; codicology wrong (<strong>just think of Brumbaugh and the f49v number column</strong>), so I&#8217;m not <em>hugely</em> surprised.</p>
<p>Cheers, &#8230;.Nick Pelling&#8230;.</p>
<p>PS: have I convinced you yet that it&#8217;s a cipher designed to resemble a non-existent archaic language? <img src='http://www.ciphermysteries.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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