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	<title>Comments on: The Anthon Transcript&#8230;</title>
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		<title>By: Seth Payne &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Book of Mormon Translation Process and &#8220;Truth in Advertising&#8221;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seth Payne &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Book of Mormon Translation Process and &#8220;Truth in Advertising&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 22:33:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Also, there are periods of the translation for which we have no eyewitness accounts of the process. Thus, it is entirely possible that Joseph did study and look at the plates during these times as is depicted in art and film. After all, Joseph reports having the plates in his possession for long periods of time when no translation actually took place. It would not be unreasonable, therefore, to assume that he took occasion to browse through the plates. He must have looked at the plates at some point, for example, in order to produce the Anthon transcript. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Also, there are periods of the translation for which we have no eyewitness accounts of the process. Thus, it is entirely possible that Joseph did study and look at the plates during these times as is depicted in art and film. After all, Joseph reports having the plates in his possession for long periods of time when no translation actually took place. It would not be unreasonable, therefore, to assume that he took occasion to browse through the plates. He must have looked at the plates at some point, for example, in order to produce the Anthon transcript. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: cinepro</title>
		<link>http://www.ciphermysteries.com/2009/06/01/the-anthon-transcript/comment-page-1#comment-6108</link>
		<dc:creator>cinepro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 18:43:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to be clear about the dates, Joseph Smith was visited by Moroni and told about the hidden plates in 1823, but didn&#039;t actually retrieve them from the nearby hill until September of 1827.  

Martin Harris took the &quot;caractors&quot; to Professor Anthon in New York in the spring of 1828, so the &quot;caractors&quot; were probably written by Joseph Smith sometime between then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to be clear about the dates, Joseph Smith was visited by Moroni and told about the hidden plates in 1823, but didn&#8217;t actually retrieve them from the nearby hill until September of 1827.  </p>
<p>Martin Harris took the &#8220;caractors&#8221; to Professor Anthon in New York in the spring of 1828, so the &#8220;caractors&#8221; were probably written by Joseph Smith sometime between then.</p>
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		<title>By: Grim Writing ::: The Book of Mormon and Reformed Egyptian &#171; Grimoires</title>
		<link>http://www.ciphermysteries.com/2009/06/01/the-anthon-transcript/comment-page-1#comment-5862</link>
		<dc:creator>Grim Writing ::: The Book of Mormon and Reformed Egyptian &#171; Grimoires</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 20:44:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] you&#8217;d be further interested in the cryptography of the Anthon Transcript, I suggest you read this post on the fascinating Cipher Mysteries blog. For readers that can fill in the gap, I might just quote [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] you&#8217;d be further interested in the cryptography of the Anthon Transcript, I suggest you read this post on the fascinating Cipher Mysteries blog. For readers that can fill in the gap, I might just quote [...]</p>
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		<title>By: nickpelling</title>
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		<dc:creator>nickpelling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 06:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Carl,

Thanks for the comment, and your emails too - I&#039;ll be posting on the subject again very shortly.

My primary interest (as a non-Mormon historian) is simply to see how the Anthon Transcript &quot;works&quot; in and of itself, to try to find out what the primary document itself has to say. Once I have that kind of thing in place, I&#039;ll move on to all the rest of the literature - thanks for the suggestions!

Cheers, ....Nick Pelling....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Carl,</p>
<p>Thanks for the comment, and your emails too &#8211; I&#8217;ll be posting on the subject again very shortly.</p>
<p>My primary interest (as a non-Mormon historian) is simply to see how the Anthon Transcript &#8220;works&#8221; in and of itself, to try to find out what the primary document itself has to say. Once I have that kind of thing in place, I&#8217;ll move on to all the rest of the literature &#8211; thanks for the suggestions!</p>
<p>Cheers, &#8230;.Nick Pelling&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl Hugh Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl Hugh Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 03:18:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recommend that if you want to look at the translation of the Pearl of Great Price, the books of Moses and Abraham look for the works that Hugh Nibley did on this book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recommend that if you want to look at the translation of the Pearl of Great Price, the books of Moses and Abraham look for the works that Hugh Nibley did on this book.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 17:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think your assessment of the &#039;caractors&#039; is a good one. As Emily said, it may not even be &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt; sophisticated.  

I did some looking around on Wiki.  The Mormon Church made a replica of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_plates&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;Golden Plates&quot;&lt;/a&gt; which I find quite amusing.  Former VMs student Robert Firth once told me that the Mormon position seemed to be that the &quot;Reformed Egyptian&quot; script was hieratic Egyptian, but I certainly don&#039;t see this either.  

Joseph Smith made a translation of a specimen of the Egyptian Book of the Dead that he called &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearl_of_Great_Price_(Latter_Day_Saints)&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Pearl of Great Price&lt;/a&gt; and is now official Mormon scripture.  This is not even as dignified a mistake as the spurious interpretations of the Pyrgi tablets or the Phaistos Disk.  We&#039;ve seen this sort of thing enough, of course, but how people can overlook such damning evidence is frankly beyond me.

I found a reference to the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voree_Plates&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Voree plates&lt;/a&gt;, a set that James Stang, one of Joseph Smith&#039;s claimed successors &quot;translated.&quot;  Here are &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.strangite.org/Plates.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;facsimiles&lt;/a&gt; of these plates. The characters look more cursive and simpler to me than those in the Anthon transcript.  

How such obvious rubbish as all this could become the foundation of a major religion seems a fascinating topic in itself, though not one for this forum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think your assessment of the &#8216;caractors&#8217; is a good one. As Emily said, it may not even be <i>that</i> sophisticated.  </p>
<p>I did some looking around on Wiki.  The Mormon Church made a replica of the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_plates" rel="nofollow">&#8220;Golden Plates&#8221;</a> which I find quite amusing.  Former VMs student Robert Firth once told me that the Mormon position seemed to be that the &#8220;Reformed Egyptian&#8221; script was hieratic Egyptian, but I certainly don&#8217;t see this either.  </p>
<p>Joseph Smith made a translation of a specimen of the Egyptian Book of the Dead that he called <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearl_of_Great_Price_(Latter_Day_Saints)" rel="nofollow">The Pearl of Great Price</a> and is now official Mormon scripture.  This is not even as dignified a mistake as the spurious interpretations of the Pyrgi tablets or the Phaistos Disk.  We&#8217;ve seen this sort of thing enough, of course, but how people can overlook such damning evidence is frankly beyond me.</p>
<p>I found a reference to the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voree_Plates" rel="nofollow">Voree plates</a>, a set that James Stang, one of Joseph Smith&#8217;s claimed successors &#8220;translated.&#8221;  Here are <a href="http://www.strangite.org/Plates.htm" rel="nofollow">facsimiles</a> of these plates. The characters look more cursive and simpler to me than those in the Anthon transcript.  </p>
<p>How such obvious rubbish as all this could become the foundation of a major religion seems a fascinating topic in itself, though not one for this forum.</p>
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		<title>By: Emily</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 15:15:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The general character of the &quot;caractors&quot; reminds me of the substitution cipher alphabets created by children(including myself-- many of us go through a phase where we love the concept of secret messages, especially those kept secret from adults), or an &quot;alien alphabet&quot; that&#039;s meant to just look foreign, decorative rather than meaningful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The general character of the &#8220;caractors&#8221; reminds me of the substitution cipher alphabets created by children(including myself&#8211; many of us go through a phase where we love the concept of secret messages, especially those kept secret from adults), or an &#8220;alien alphabet&#8221; that&#8217;s meant to just look foreign, decorative rather than meaningful.</p>
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